Plato, Five Dialogues: Euthypro, Apology, Crito, Meno, Phaedo
Second Edition
Translated by G.M.A. Grube
Revised by John M. Cooper
ISBN: 0872206335
This is a small, thin, 154 page book (with an additional 2 pages of suggested reading). It was part of my ‘Introduction to Philosophy’ class in college, but we didn’t have to read it—even though it was listed as mandatory on the syllabus. The course was boring and irritated me, and so I didn’t trust the professor’s definition of quality. My distrust extended to the book, because I didn’t expect the non-mandatory, non-graded reading to be any better than everything else the class offered. So, I put off reading it and then forgot about it.
The course was mind-numbingly mindless. The professor was a self-absorbed guy who had a smug, high voice that was more grating than ingratiating. The only time he stopped talking was when he wanted to smirk at his own genius—a self-satisfied expression that lasted a good 10 seconds or so—and he seemed to get annoyed when no one looked on in admiration or said anything. Meanwhile, the religious students in the class constantly got into boring arguments with him, because they insisted this or that was moral because the Bible said so. That was always their angry point: the Bible said so, it’s true, and why couldn’t he just accept that? He, of course, indulged these arguments. He wasted class time to do it, but he saw these as great opportunities to belittle others and make himself feel big. He didn’t try to reason, he just struck a pose of self-righteousness, and the arguments were always the same. Periodically throughout the semester, he’d complain that we’d fallen behind schedule, and that we were going through the material too slowly. He was befuddled as to why and blamed his students. However, several students weren’t befuddled as to why and he didn’t much appreciate their silent expressions. He appreciated the sighs even less.
Thus, it wasn’t until recently that I read this book. I’d finally gotten over my bias against it. I’d heard great things about Socrates and Plato, and was eager to read the dialogues for myself.
However, I was disappointed by them.
EUTHYPRO is the first dialogue in the book. I was interested in some parts of it, and was amused by Socrates’ snarky attitude. For instance, when Euthypro doesn’t give Socrates the answers he wants, and is instead illogical, Socrates chastises him in a sarcastic but jovial way:
“[…] you agreed that all impious actions are impious and all pious actions pious through one form, or don’t you remember?” (p. 8, line 6e)
“So you did not answer my question, you surprising man.” (p. 9, line 8b)
“What a thing to do, my friend! By going you have cast me down from a great hope I had, that I would learn from you the nature of the pious and impious […] showing […] that I had acquired wisdom in divine matters from Euthypro, and my ignorance would no longer cause me to be careless and inventive about such things, and I would be better for the rest of my life.” (p. 20, line 16)
In EUTHYPRO, the discussion is between Socrates and Euthypro. They talk about piety and what essentially constitutes right or wrong. The general idea is that piety is a good, ethereal quality that the gods must love, but nothing is pious simply because the gods love it. The dialogue goes from pages 1-20.
APOLOGY is next and it goes from pages 21-44. It covers Socrates' trial, wherein he’s condemned to death for ‘corrupting the youth.’
It bothered me that the introduction says “the ancients did not expect historical accuracy in the way we do,” but, while this is true, “Some liberties could no doubt be allowed, but the main arguments and the general tone of the defense must surely be faithful to the original.” (p. 21) I find it disturbing that APOLOGY is taken as being “surely” faithful to Socrates’ words, because taking “liberties” and being “faithful” to a work are two different things. (Furthermore, I question Socrates’ existence, because I’ve heard it said that Socrates may not have existed, and that he was simply a literary construct of Plato’s which was used to attack others’ views. I am not sure as to the veracity of this, and it’s another matter anyway, but the book didn’t satiate my curiosity on this point either.)
As for the text itself, I liked parts of APOLOGY. Some lines seem to be wise and apt even today. For instance, Socrates speaks of people thinking they’re wiser than they are, how those with reputations for wisdom can be deficient compared to those who are seen as inferior (p. 26-27, line 22-b), how people can think they’re wise in all respects because they’re good in one subject (p. 27, line 22c-e), and how they react when he exposes them:
“[…] they have been proved to lay claim to knowledge when they know nothing. These people are ambitious, violent, and numerous; they are continually and convincingly talking about me; they have been filling your ears for a long time with vehement slanders against me.” (p. 28, line 23e)
Those types of people still exist today, and thus his commentary and caution still has relevance. Furthermore, Socrates also gives good advice on humility and the nature of wisdom. A good summation of his view is below, when he speaks of being called the wisest man by the Oracle of Delphi:
“What is probable, gentlemen, is that in fact the god is wise and that his oracular response meant that human wisdom is worth little or nothing, and that when he says this man, Socrates, he is using my name as an example, as if he said: ‘This man among you, mortals, is wisest who, like Socrates, understands that his wisdom is worthless.’” (p.27, line 22b)
However, to me, Socrates seems like a man who possessed false humility. Instead of being genuine, it appears to me to be a subtle charade for a man who feels superior; he claims to be humble to get his opponents to let down their guard, and then he rants about his self-importance but says it’s due to divine circumstance—and so he’s not saying he’s valuable, it’s the gods who are! Thus, he elevates himself to the level of a prophet, and acts as if others are dim-witted and in need of his wise illumination. This happens in other dialogues, too, but it’s also apparent in APOLOGY.
For instance, in the excerpt above he degraded his status and what he claimed the Oracle said. He insisted he wasn’t wise or important, and was just being used as an off-hand example. Yet, only a few pages later he defines himself as a prophet of divine providence, a gift to mankind, and as someone who is tasked with providing enlightenment. This indicates that he never really saw his wisdom as “worth little or nothing”:
“[…] I am far from making a defense now on my own behalf, as might be thought, but on yours, to prevent you from wrongdoing by mistreating the god’s gift to you by condemning me; for if you kill me you will not easily find another like me. I was attached to this city by the god […] as upon a great and noble horse which was somewhat sluggish because of its size and needed to be stirred up by a kind of gadfly. It is to fulfill some such function that I believe the god has placed me in the city. […] Another such man will not easily come to be among you, gentlemen, and if you believe me you will spare me. You might easily be annoyed with me as people are when they are aroused from a doze, and strike out at me […]” (p. 35, lines 30e-31)
In addition to this arrogance, his arguments are also often unconvincing and irrational. On page 30 (lines 25c-26), Socrates argues that wicked people harm others, those harmed become wicked themselves, and then they will in turn harm the person who’s harmed them. Thus, he says, he couldn’t be willingly corrupting the young, because he’s not that ignorant. However, this defense ignores human emotion, masochism, and a slew of other reasons why people will willingly harm others; a person knowing an action is bad doesn’t mean automatic avoidance, because there is a moral component to the choice. Furthermore, he was accused of corrupting young men who functioned in society, and thus motives of political power, sexual desire, and so on, were also possibilities. His argument of innocence is basically, “I wouldn’t hurt people because it’s bad, duh,” and that isn’t an argument that’s reasoned out well.
Then on page 32, he goes from defending himself against vague corruption charges, to addressing the idea that he might be corrupting the young in spiritual matters. How he handles this is by explaining that if you believe in spiritual activities then you must believe in spirits, spirits are “either gods or the children of gods,” and so if you believe in spiritual activities then you must believe in divine things/the gods. However, this argument attributes everything spiritual to the gods, which is an unexamined leap of faith. It was a subversive and known idea at the time that the spiritual need not necessitate from gods, and Socrates was defending himself against being a teacher of such notions, but it’s also odd that he would dismiss them off-handedly in a poorly worded argument. After all, he supposedly was against catering to the majority, didn’t care about saving himself, only cared for trying to examine matters to find truth, and was willing to die for his beliefs/knowledge search. So, I don’t understand why he’d make such a leap of faith and ignore a proposed idea.
Another faulty argument comes about when he insists that he is getting messages from divine beings and can prove it. His proof is that “it does not seem like human nature for me to have neglected all my own affairs and to have tolerated this neglect now for so many years while I was always concerned with you, approaching each one of you like a father or an elder brother to persuade you to care for virtue.” (p. 35, lines 31b-c) There are so many things wrong with this that I’m going to bullet-point them for easier reading:
- By this logic, any hobo or poor zealot who spends their day talking to others is a divinely inspired sage.
- He is ignoring the possibility of madness.
- He is ignoring the possibility of arrogance. Arrogance can lead to a man trying to control others to believe in his own views. People often dedicate time to preach lifestyle choices, beliefs, and philosophies, and some do take it too far.
- Perceiving yourself as selfless, or even actually being so, does not equate with being a divinely touched prophet.
- He claims he’s in poverty and doesn’t care for his own needs, but he had 2 young children, 1 adolescent child, and a wife. (p. 38, line 34d) They had to live somewhere, and he had to indulge his sexual desires in order to have had kids, so how poor he was and how much he neglected himself is questionable. This is especially true since, back then, marriage was not about love and a husband was picked by the woman’s father. His wife, Xantippe, was also from a well-to-do family and that would’ve made her desirable as a bride. It’s even more questionable since, in CRITO and PHAEDO, he’s asked about his children and mentions that his friends will care for them when he is gone. This indicates that he was fully capable of caring for them while alive.
- Demanding respect by assuming an authoritarian position isn’t humble. In Ancient Greece, a father was someone to be obeyed and respected, because the society was highly patriarchal. Loyalty went from the gods, to the city, to the father, and so on. Considering this, my best guess is that an elder brother would also hold a higher status than a younger one. Thus, he is subtly admitting that he wanted to be viewed as an authority figure. This doesn’t help his earlier position of supposedly being a humble man, or of being divinely appointed instead of arrogant.
He also claims that he avoided having a political life since heroes in politics die quickly. He says that a private life allows for a man to survive and fight for justice. (p. 36, lines 31d-e) This is still true in corrupt governments today, and thus it isn’t bad advice. However, Socrates was often commenting on political figures in his dialogues, and influencing young men in influential families via discourse in public places. While this doesn’t make him a politician, it still makes him political in much the way a lobbyist is. So, his claim of wanting to avoid the limelight in order to survive seems strange, because he wasn’t being all that private. However, he says he made this choice due to a voice in his head:
“I have a divine or spiritual sign which Meletus has ridiculed in his deposition. This began when I was a child. It is a voice, and whenever it speaks it turns me away from something I am about to do, but it never encourages me to do anything. This is what prevented me from taking part in public affairs, and I think it was quite right to prevent me.” (p. 36, line 31d)
I think this excerpt could mean one of two things: he was either religious or unstable. You see, back then, people believed that a spirit followed a person from birth, watched over him throughout life, and eventually led him to the underworld once the person died. The idea is similar to the “guardian angel” of modern day Christianity. However, it doesn’t seem common of the period for people to hear and follow their spirit guide since childhood. Thus, I think it could mean something more innocent when he claims he heard “a voice.” It’s possible that he felt it more than heard it, and listened to those feelings—just as many religious people of various faiths do today, even though they word it misleadingly and say a spiritual being “speaks” to them. However, while this religious explanation is possible, I think my second guess is more probable. My second guess is that Socrates was a schizophrenic who heard a voice, had delusions of grandeur, and was arrogant. I lean more toward this idea because what he hears is highly self-aggrandizing, and he sounds arrogant when talking about it.
On page 40, Socrates says, “What do I deserve for being such a man? Some good, men of Athens, if I must truly make an assessment according to my deserts, and something suitable.” (p. 40, line 36d) I’m guessing that “deserts” is a translation error, and the word “desserts” should be there instead, unless it’s an old expression I’m unaware of. Anyway, he makes a funny and apt joke about how his counter-assessment (of what he deserves as punishment) is to be given a lavish banquet suitable for Olympian victors. His reasoning is that he doesn’t think he deserves to be treated badly, because he doesn’t believe he’s done evil, and thus choosing a punishment for himself would be evil since he’d be taking part in punishing an innocent man.
On page 41, the famous line “the unexamined life is not worth living” (line 38) appears.
On page 43, he feels at peace, and thinks the fact that the assembly gave him the death penalty means that, “What has happened to me may well be a good thing, and those of us who believe death to be an evil are certainly mistaken. I have convincing proof of this, for it is impossible that my familiar sign [spiritual guide/voice/guardian angel] did not oppose me if I was not about to do what was right.” (Line 40c) He says that death is, “[…] one of two things: either the dead are nothing and have no perception of anything, or it is, as we are told, a change and a relocating for the soul from here to another place.” (Line 40d.) He figures either option is a good one, but that the latter is better and he hopes for it.
On the last page of APOLOGY, he says, “[…] keep this one truth in mind, that a good man cannot be harmed either in life or in death, and that his affairs are not neglected by the gods” (p. 44, line 41d). This irritated me because I don’t believe that a good person is naturally impervious to harm, or that a person should have faith that there are gods who will protect them from all harm. After all, everyone hurts now and then—regardless of how good they are, or if there are any gods watching out for them.
Socrates’ last lines in this dialogue sound philosophical:
“Now the hour to part has come. I go to die, you go to live. Which of us goes to the better lot is known to no one, except the god.” (p. 44, line 42)
However, that also seems odd to me, considering that Socrates thinks they’re harming themselves by killing him, and that he’s already ranted about how he thinks he’ll go to a good place.
Then there’s the next dialogue, CRITO, on pages 45-57. In this dialogue, Crito tries to convince Socrates to flee into exile. Socrates refuses, says he’s old and doesn’t resent dying, and believes that he has no right to spurn the city’s decision to kill him.
Crito goes on and on about reasonable objections: Socrates has young children, people will think ill of Socrates’ friends for not saving him, the people who sentenced him don’t particularly care if he flees as long as he doesn’t come back, etc. However, Socrates believes that while his sentence is wrong that it’s also wrong to break the law, and one shouldn’t repay a wrong with a wrong. This seems like odd reasoning to me, because I don’t see why he’d be willing to die to uphold an unjust law.
Really, the whole story seems like ancient, Athenian propaganda for the city. He arrogantly assumes the position of law personified and the city personified, and pretends to lecture himself. He says that he’s not on “equal footing” (p. 53, line 50e) with the law, and that he has no right to retaliate against it by saving his life and fleeing. (p. 54-57, lines 51-54d) He says:
“Is your wisdom such as not to realize that your country is to be honored more than your mother, your father, and all your ancestors, that it is more to be revered and sacred, and that it counts for more among the gods and sensible men, that you must worship it, yield to it, and placate its anger more than your father’s? You must either persuade it or obey its orders, and endure in silence whatever it instructs you to endure, whether blows or bonds, and if it leads you into war to be wounded or killed, you must obey. To do so is right, and one must not give way or retreat or leave one’s post, but both in war and in courts and everywhere else, one must obey the commands of one’s city and country, or persuade it as to the nature of justice.” (p. 54, lines 51-51c)
And it’s clear that persuasion isn’t something Socrates holds in high regard, and is more focused on complete obedience. Here are his key points on the issue, excerpted in a row:
“We should not then think so much of what the majority will say about us, but what he will say who understands justice and injustice, the one, that is, and the truth itself. […] we must examine next whether it is just for me to get out of here when the Athenians have not acquitted me. […] Mistreating people is no different from wrongdoing. […] Then I state the next point, or rather I ask you: when one has come to an agreement that is just with someone, should one fulfill it or cheat on it? […] See what follows from this: if we leave here without the city’s permission, are we mistreating people whom we should least mistreat? And are we sticking to a just agreement or not? […] Shall we say in answer, ‘The city wronged me, and its decision was not right.’ Shall we say that, or what? […] Then what if the laws said: ‘Was that agreement between us, Socrates, or was it to respect the judgments that the city came to?’ […] you agreed, not only in words but by your deeds, to live in accordance with us.’” (p. 50-55, excerpted various key points from lines 48-52d)
So basically, Socrates’ argument is that the city/state is sacred, citizens should obey it always, citizens should not leave, and a citizen is not on equal footing and should quietly and passively accept whatever punishment—just or unjust—is doled out by the lawmakers. A citizen should do this because he is essentially the property of his city, and just like a child he can make requests but needs to shut up if his father says no. What gets me the most is the “endure in silence” bit, because it directly instructs people to suffer and stay quiet in a democracy. If this kind of thinking were applied today, good things like appeals courts wouldn’t exist, and laws would rarely if ever be changed. It reminds me of another quote:
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” –Unknown
Anyway though, to sum up CRITO: Socrates tells him he doesn’t want to be rescued, Crito’s left speechless, and Socrates ends the dialogue by saying, “Let it be then, Crito, and let us act in this way, since this is the way the god is leading us.” (p. 57, line 54e)
The dialogue MENO is next, and goes from pages 58-92. In this dialogue, Socrates discusses the nature of virtue with a young man called Meno. They discuss whether or not virtue can be taught, or if it’s inherent knowledge that everyone has and simply needs to recall.
They go back and forth to try and define virtue, and Socrates is often round-a-bout and seems to posture more than pursue knowledge. He also makes certain jumps in logic which aren’t logical. For instance, he says of virtue, “And if there were teachers of it, it could be taught, but if there were not, it was not teachable?” (p. 91, line 98e) Meno agrees with Socrates’ leading-the-witness style of questioning. However, this makes the leap that virtue must be one unfragmented whole, and then it’s seen in the ‘objectifying’ way that the ancient Greeks viewed life: they tended to view concepts as solid objects, and that seems to have led to a lot of black-or-white thinking. Thus, virtue couldn’t be a puzzle made up of many parts, and taught piece-by-piece by many teachers: it had to be one thing, in and of itself, which could be mastered as a whole. I think defining virtue so narrowly is not logical.
Since they defined virtue narrowly, and said a subject must have a teacher to be teachable, the lack of teachers is why Socrates later says “virtue can certainly not be taught” (p. 87, line 94e), and why he seems to agree with Theognis’ view that, “you will never make a bad man good by teaching.” (p. 88, line 96) However, this also seems illogical, because Socrates believed that he could teach people to be virtuous. He believed that a philosopher’s lifestyle was virtuous, and that he could awaken others into living that way by acting like a gadfly to their consciousnesses. Thus, he believed that people were living badly, and he thought he could teach them to be good, and to lead virtuous lives as philosophers. If he didn’t believe that virtue could be taught, and yet becoming wise helped a person to be virtuous, then why would he go around trying to enlighten others?
He then goes on to attribute good opinion, or intuition, to the gods and call it divine inspiration (p. 91-92, lines 99c-99e)
Socrates also seems to reference Plato’s “Theory of Forms” towards the end, because Socrates says a man who could teach virtue would be, “as far as virtue is concerned, here also be the only true reality compared, as it were, with shadows.” (p. 92, line 100e) (The Theory of Forms is the idea that there are forms, or ideas, which are the highest form of reality; everything we perceive with our senses isn’t as real—they’re like shadows on a cave wall, as in the Allegory of the Cave, and only reflect the distorted “true” versions of themselves.)
At the very end, Meno is convinced of Socrates’ viewpoint that virtue is a gift from the gods, but that virtue itself is still unclearly defined, and that it cannot be taught. Socrates tells him to go convince his friend Anytus of what he’s learned, and says that if he succeeds he will “also confer a benefit upon the Athenians.” (p.92, line b)
PHAEDO is the next and last dialogue in the book, and it goes from pages 93-154. The introduction sets the scene and describes what it’s about. It’s about Socrates’ last hours and his death in the jail at Athens, and it’s described by one of his “intimates,” Phaedo, as he reports it all to a group of Pythagoreans. Although it’s written by Plato, Plato was supposedly ill and thus not present for Socrates’ final moments and subsequent death. Also, it says that PHAEDO contains many of Plato’s own views but is also supposedly “a famously moving picture of Socrates’ deep commitment to philosophy and the philosophical life.” (p. 94)
Anyway, the dialogue is rambling and over-dramatic. It’s also occasionally odd, such as when Socrates claims that he wrote poetry because he kept having a dream: “‘Socrates,’ it said, ‘practice and cultivate the arts.’” (p.98, line 61) He says he thought it meant to practice the highest art, philosophy, but that—basically—he was worried and thought he should try his hand at poetry too, just in case. So he wrote a poem as a tribute to the god whose festival had delayed his execution, and then wrote down some fables he’d remembered since a poet is supposed to “compose fables, not arguments.” (p.98, line 61b) My guess is that he’s trying to imply that philosophy is more beautiful and divine than poetry, because his tribute to the god was an argument, not a poem, and poems are just fables.
Then Socrates goes on about suicide. He says it’s wrong and mentions “the language of the mysteries” as giving a good explanation as to why:
“[…] we men are in a kind of prison, and that one must not free oneself or run away. […] the gods are our guardians and that men are one of their possessions. […] And would you not be angry if one of your possessions killed itself when you had not given any sign that you wished it to die, and if you had any punishment you could inflict, you would inflict it? […] Perhaps then, put in this way, it is not unreasonable that one should not kill oneself before a god had indicated some necessity to do so, like the necessity now put upon us.” (p. 99, lines 62b-62d)
The rest of the conversation stays on topic about death and where souls go. Socrates says that he hopes to go to good, godly masters (p.100, line 63c). He says that he thinks his rewards will be great, because he lived a life preparing for death. He says that’s what a philosopher’s life is: preparing for how to die. Death is the separation of the soul from the body, as he sees it, and he’s spent his whole life trying to abstain from worldly pleasures. He believes that reason is the soul’s “search for reality” (p. 102, line 65c), and that the senses only serve to deceive a person. He thinks death is what may be “a path to guide us out of our confusion” (p. 103, line 66b), and that he may find happiness and reality in the form of pure knowledge. He says that “either we can never attain [pure] knowledge or we can do so after death.” (p. 104, line 67) He adds that, “it would be ridiculous for a man to train himself in life to live in a state as close to death as possible, and then to resent it when it comes.” (p.104, line 67e.)
However, I’m skeptical of his claim that a philosopher’s life is preparing for death. For one, it seems odd that life would exist just to prepare to die, and that this would be an ultimate and desirable goal. It’s rather morbid, too. It also seems unrealistic to be able to achieve such a separation, because while we can judge with our intellect, our senses convey all of the information for our intellect to consider in the first place. Really, it seems like a conversation geared towards comforting people about his death, and not a realistic argument about philosophy. After all, he wasn’t really abstaining from fleshy desires by having 3 children, and 1 of them is just a baby when he’s about to die. He also flirts with the young men who adore him, and back then older men often had sexual relationships with young men. In all of these dialogues, the men were young. I’ve heard that Plato believed having sex with boys was grand, but I’ve yet to find clear proof of that either way.
However, 2 scenes in PHAEDO indicate that Socrates’ charge of corruption could easily have been due to his sexual relationships with these young boys. After all, back then, pederasty was common and thus many of these boys, from rich families, likely had powerful and jealous lovers—since they were somewhat equivalent to mistresses. So it wasn’t just that their mentors were jealous of losing their protégés, but it was even more emotional than that, and some were probably just straight-up lovers rather than mentors. A young man could entertain many suitors, after all, and many did. Furthermore, there were sophists teaching at the time and some of them taught in the same manner as Socrates did, and this was common enough that Socrates has often been confused with them. Supposedly the only difference between Socrates and a sophist was that Socrates didn’t charge fees for his guidance/conversation/teaching. I doubt he would have been executed for simply not charging money for his services. Anyway, here are those 2 scenes that show some questionable moments:
“I [Phaedo] happened to be sitting on his right by the couch on a low stool, so that he was sitting well above me. He [Socrates] stroked my head and pressed the hair on the back of my neck, for he was in the habit of playing with my hair at times. ‘Tomorrow, Phaedo,’ he said, ‘you will probably cut this beautiful hair.’” (p. 126-127, lines 89b-c)
“You must be of good cheer, and say you are burying my body, and bury it in any way you like and think most customary. After saying this he got up and went into another room to take his bath, and Crito followed him and he told us to wait” (p. 152, line 116-b)
The part about the hair I find especially telling, since Socrates claimed he cared not for any of his senses—which would include both sight and touch—and didn’t regard a sense perception as beautiful. (p. 138, lines 100d-e) He also flirted with the young men in other dialogues, but usually not so blatantly.
Anyway, he goes on and on about Form (ideas) and tall vs. short, etc., and I found it round-a-bout and unenlightening. I was often annoyed at his seeming ignorance, lack of proper explanation, and at his students’ blind acceptance of his words. For instance, he claims that the soul rules the body despite being influenced by it, and also claims that all souls must be equal. However, he doesn’t give a good argument for why all souls would naturally be equal, or why sometimes the body rules the soul.
I’m not saying souls aren’t equal, or that the soul doesn’t rule the body. What I am saying is that he shouldn’t have taken anything for granted—a philosopher is supposed to use reason, not assumption, and to try to examine all angles of an idea. His argument of soul > body ignores what happens when someone gets mind-altering brain damage or dementia. A person who has either thing seriously can’t even use the reason Socrates holds dear. Perhaps brain damage wasn’t something the ancient Greeks had a firm knowledge of, but they did at the very least encounter senility and forgetfulness in the old. It’s not unexplainable: Socrates could have said that the soul is becoming less attached to the body, is gone completely, or that the soul is reasoning but forgets its reason before the speech reaches the lips. However, Socrates doesn’t explain these issues at all. Instead, he just says that because human beings can do things like starve themselves, the soul has control. (p. 132-133, lines 94b-e)
In fact, Socrates seems determined to convince the young men that the soul is immortal, and he makes many faulty arguments to do so. For instance, he says that the soul could not admit that which is opposite to it (p. 143, lines 105d-107) and thus it must be deathless and immune to mortality. Yet, this ignores the fact that he also said the body is mortal and yet can taint the soul with its mortal desires. (p. 122, line 83d-e) If the body can taint the soul with its mortality, then Socrates’ position that the soul is immune to mortal issues due to its deathless nature doesn’t fit, because it’s capable of being corrupted with its opposite and is thus not immune after all.
After more discussion of the soul, Socrates goes on to describing the afterlife. He gives a funky description of earth, with the geography involving things like rivers encircling the earth and diving through it, and that’s kind of neat. He also goes on some more about the nature of the soul and how he thinks it will be judged. Then he prepares to die, drinks the hemlock, and then the young men weep as he dies. He chastises them and says it’s the reason he “sent the women away, to avoid such unseemliness, for I am told one should die in good omened silence. So keep quiet and control yourselves.”(p. 153, line 117e) Then he walks around a bit, lays down, and says his last words, “Crito, we owe a cock to Asclepius, make this offering to him and do not forget.” (p. 153, line 118) The footnote says this is apparently Socrates alluding to a god who cured illness; he’s claiming that death is a cure for the ills of life, and saying that the god deserves an animal sacrifice for his death.
Summary: Socrates is long-winded, arrogant, probably schizophrenic, was probably sexual with his young male followers, and often contradicts himself in illogical ways. My guess is that the real reason he was executed was probably due to his political and sexual influences on his young male followers, because that would have inspired the kind of jealousy and anger that his enemies wouldn’t want to be specific about in court. The dialogues are a little interesting to read at some points, but are not good overall.
2 out of 5 stars.